Comments on: Videos of Hilarity http://www.revnev.com/2010/01/28/klaven-liberal-fantasies-vs-reality/ "Aim at heaven and you will get earth thrown in. Aim at earth and you get neither." C.S. Lewis Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:47:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Lourdes http://www.revnev.com/2010/01/28/klaven-liberal-fantasies-vs-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-323 Lourdes Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:42:13 +0000 http://www.revnev.com/?p=580#comment-323 FreemarketMike, thank you for the thoughtful post. It almost made me reconsider what I wrote earlier, however, reading Ben's last post where he generalized people of left-leaning beliefs as being false Christians disheartened me again. You see, I am what some would consider a liberal (although I disagree with labels in general because people are individuals with individual thought processes), hard-core Christian. My faith hasn't come by birthright, or dogma, but by personal experience, growth, and miracles. I have studied many traditions, and come back to my Christian faith. To say that "to be liberal is to have a wrong theology" is to me what's completely wrong with trying to mix politics and theology. That statement comes from a political belief, in my opinion, and not from a Christian belief, which for me means that our belief in God is THE most important part of our lives, not our lousy political beliefs, and that THE most important part of our lives should be what keeps us together, even if our politics differ. By my, perhaps impossible hope in humanity, if we were to truly practice Christianity we wouldn't have the kinds of divides that we see today in our country, which causes me a great deal of pain, to see Americans tearing each other down the way we do. We have lost our way, and need to find a way BACK to God. This us vs. them mentality is about as far away from the teachings of our Saviour as it gets. Why can't we talk about the things that we share, even if we agree to disagree? I'll tell you why, because we are SO divided that you can read a post from someone who claims to be a man of the cloth saying "the postmodern and existentialist notions of “diversity” and “tolerance” are leading to the death of Western culture" and "Reality… America’s ideas, ideals, and institutions were the product of white, Protestant men. These institutions have made us great. Liberal fantasy: Diversity is what made America the best place ever!" The kids at my church say WWJD?. Would Jesus say that about the beautiful rainbow of God's greatest creation made in his image, yes, all of us, not just white Protestant males? Somehow, I believe not; I believe he would be hurt by words like that coming from someone who professes to teach his word. FreemarketMike, thank you for the thoughtful post. It almost made me reconsider what I wrote earlier, however, reading Ben’s last post where he generalized people of left-leaning beliefs as being false Christians disheartened me again. You see, I am what some would consider a liberal (although I disagree with labels in general because people are individuals with individual thought processes), hard-core Christian. My faith hasn’t come by birthright, or dogma, but by personal experience, growth, and miracles. I have studied many traditions, and come back to my Christian faith. To say that “to be liberal is to have a wrong theology” is to me what’s completely wrong with trying to mix politics and theology. That statement comes from a political belief, in my opinion, and not from a Christian belief, which for me means that our belief in God is THE most important part of our lives, not our lousy political beliefs, and that THE most important part of our lives should be what keeps us together, even if our politics differ. By my, perhaps impossible hope in humanity, if we were to truly practice Christianity we wouldn’t have the kinds of divides that we see today in our country, which causes me a great deal of pain, to see Americans tearing each other down the way we do. We have lost our way, and need to find a way BACK to God. This us vs. them mentality is about as far away from the teachings of our Saviour as it gets. Why can’t we talk about the things that we share, even if we agree to disagree? I’ll tell you why, because we are SO divided that you can read a post from someone who claims to be a man of the cloth saying “the postmodern and existentialist notions of “diversity” and “tolerance” are leading to the death of Western culture” and “Reality… America’s ideas, ideals, and institutions were the product of white, Protestant men. These institutions have made us great. Liberal fantasy: Diversity is what made America the best place ever!” The kids at my church say WWJD?. Would Jesus say that about the beautiful rainbow of God’s greatest creation made in his image, yes, all of us, not just white Protestant males? Somehow, I believe not; I believe he would be hurt by words like that coming from someone who professes to teach his word.

]]> By: KrimsonHULK http://www.revnev.com/2010/01/28/klaven-liberal-fantasies-vs-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-322 KrimsonHULK Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:49:33 +0000 http://www.revnev.com/?p=580#comment-322 Heh. You know what's even more dangerous to America than lefties? Bigots, suffering from PTSD (granted you've ever seen combat, which I doubt, but if you have it would explain your insanity) who have a problem with all the "diversity" and "tolerance" that's allowed in America. Those are the people that you have to worry about walking into a rally with an assault rifle, taking out as many people as he can, before putting the barrel in his own mouth. Heh. You know what’s even more dangerous to America than lefties? Bigots, suffering from PTSD (granted you’ve ever seen combat, which I doubt, but if you have it would explain your insanity) who have a problem with all the “diversity” and “tolerance” that’s allowed in America.
Those are the people that you have to worry about walking into a rally with an assault rifle, taking out as many people as he can, before putting the barrel in his own mouth.

]]> By: FreemarketMike http://www.revnev.com/2010/01/28/klaven-liberal-fantasies-vs-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-321 FreemarketMike Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:46:38 +0000 http://www.revnev.com/?p=580#comment-321 I am certainly not against spirited discussion...nor am I that concerned with people liking me. But I also understand that people's situations often affect their viewpoints. I'll give one case in point. I happen to strongly disagree with one of Eric's suggestions on the State of the Union that the $8000 first time homebuyer credit should be extended. Why should taxpayer money be plundered from me and given to somebody else to purchase a home. My wife and I saved up for our own down payments. We put about 35% down on our current house partly so that we wouldn't have to worry about being underwater of our house value declined by 10% or more. So why do some arbitrarily receive assistance while others do not based only on timing of their first purchase. BUT...I understand that Eric is coming from a viewpoint where he would probably like to buy a house in the not too distant future. That credit would help him greatly, I am sure. I can certainly disagree with his viewpoint without relegating him to "evil". And in regard to Fannie and Freddie...while Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd are certainly primary culprits in that sham, many Republicans were benefiting as well and certainly "looked the other way". I don't necessarily blindly support Republicans either as the 'squeaky clean' party. And frankly, none of these things are "salvation" issues. While I agree that prosperity is certainly in jeopardy and that the sense of entitlement that is engrained in our culture and that it is perfectly acceptable to live off the efforts of other people if a few breaks go against you is wrong, I just try to keep things a bit in perspective. I am certainly not against spirited discussion…nor am I that concerned with people liking me. But I also understand that people’s situations often affect their viewpoints. I’ll give one case in point. I happen to strongly disagree with one of Eric’s suggestions on the State of the Union that the $8000 first time homebuyer credit should be extended. Why should taxpayer money be plundered from me and given to somebody else to purchase a home. My wife and I saved up for our own down payments. We put about 35% down on our current house partly so that we wouldn’t have to worry about being underwater of our house value declined by 10% or more. So why do some arbitrarily receive assistance while others do not based only on timing of their first purchase. BUT…I understand that Eric is coming from a viewpoint where he would probably like to buy a house in the not too distant future. That credit would help him greatly, I am sure. I can certainly disagree with his viewpoint without relegating him to “evil”.
And in regard to Fannie and Freddie…while Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd are certainly primary culprits in that sham, many Republicans were benefiting as well and certainly “looked the other way”. I don’t necessarily blindly support Republicans either as the ‘squeaky clean’ party.
And frankly, none of these things are “salvation” issues. While I agree that prosperity is certainly in jeopardy and that the sense of entitlement that is engrained in our culture and that it is perfectly acceptable to live off the efforts of other people if a few breaks go against you is wrong, I just try to keep things a bit in perspective.

]]> By: Ben http://www.revnev.com/2010/01/28/klaven-liberal-fantasies-vs-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-320 Ben Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:10:47 +0000 http://www.revnev.com/?p=580#comment-320 Indeed, one of my problems with Evangelicalism (and therefore one of the reasons I do not accept the label Evengelical) is that Evangelicals have forgotten at least two things. First, they've forgotten that Bible piety, is not simple "being nice" or "not ruffling feathers." Second, they've forgotten that one's practical stances flow from their worldview and beliefs (or non-beliefs) about God. To be liberal is to have wrong theology. One's political views are not amoral "personal opinions" in the vein of one's favorite pizza topping. I see leftists as being dangerous for America. And as such they are an enemy to be defeated. Indeed, one of my problems with Evangelicalism (and therefore one of the reasons I do not accept the label Evengelical) is that Evangelicals have forgotten at least two things. First, they’ve forgotten that Bible piety, is not simple “being nice” or “not ruffling feathers.” Second, they’ve forgotten that one’s practical stances flow from their worldview and beliefs (or non-beliefs) about God. To be liberal is to have wrong theology. One’s political views are not amoral “personal opinions” in the vein of one’s favorite pizza topping.

I see leftists as being dangerous for America. And as such they are an enemy to be defeated.

]]> By: Ben http://www.revnev.com/2010/01/28/klaven-liberal-fantasies-vs-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-319 Ben Fri, 05 Feb 2010 13:58:05 +0000 http://www.revnev.com/?p=580#comment-319 Like a moth to the flame... Like a moth to the flame…

]]> By: KrimsonHULK http://www.revnev.com/2010/01/28/klaven-liberal-fantasies-vs-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-318 KrimsonHULK Fri, 05 Feb 2010 06:39:29 +0000 http://www.revnev.com/?p=580#comment-318 Nevins, you implied you don't want debate! You said this site is "not to discuss alternative views except to critique them." Nevins, you implied you don’t want debate! You said this site is “not to discuss alternative views except to critique them.”

]]> By: KrimsonHULK http://www.revnev.com/2010/01/28/klaven-liberal-fantasies-vs-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-317 KrimsonHULK Fri, 05 Feb 2010 06:36:49 +0000 http://www.revnev.com/?p=580#comment-317 There we go. This is my angry face. There we go. This is my angry face.

]]> By: KrimsonHULK http://www.revnev.com/2010/01/28/klaven-liberal-fantasies-vs-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-316 KrimsonHULK Fri, 05 Feb 2010 06:35:32 +0000 http://www.revnev.com/?p=580#comment-316 Unfortunately, it's too late for that. Look at past posts... (Biblical thoughts on poverty; Sudden Prayer Warriors; Example of Liberal Lunacy). People on this site do not want to acknowledge what you just said. In their minds, I, because I am liberal, am the offspring off Lucifer himself. Unfortunately, it’s too late for that. Look at past posts… (Biblical thoughts on poverty; Sudden Prayer Warriors; Example of Liberal Lunacy). People on this site do not want to acknowledge what you just said. In their minds, I, because I am liberal, am the offspring off Lucifer himself.

]]> By: KrimsonHULK http://www.revnev.com/2010/01/28/klaven-liberal-fantasies-vs-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-315 KrimsonHULK Fri, 05 Feb 2010 06:28:22 +0000 http://www.revnev.com/?p=580#comment-315 Mike- Mike-

]]> By: KrimsonHULK http://www.revnev.com/2010/01/28/klaven-liberal-fantasies-vs-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-314 KrimsonHULK Fri, 05 Feb 2010 06:22:52 +0000 http://www.revnev.com/?p=580#comment-314 (This is Baxter peeved) Heh. Dang, Nevins. I dropped by the site to see how it was doing without me... very slow and dull I see. (Ben still hasn’t responded to Vitamin K) But I didn't think it was a burden on you just KNOWING me! Lourdes, look me up on Facebook and I will tell you where I will be blogging at. (Baxter Porter VI) Put “Lourdes - RevNev” in the friend request message box. Dang, Eric. I was just trying to add a liberal perspective to your site. I thought you were gonna have a regular liberal commentator on the site for 2010. Just talk I guess. I'm actually kinda hurt. (This is Baxter peeved)
Heh. Dang, Nevins. I dropped by the site to see how it was doing without me… very slow and dull I see. (Ben still hasn’t responded to Vitamin K) But I didn’t think it was a burden on you just KNOWING me!
Lourdes, look me up on Facebook and I will tell you where I will be blogging at. (Baxter Porter VI) Put “Lourdes – RevNev” in the friend request message box.
Dang, Eric. I was just trying to add a liberal perspective to your site. I thought you were gonna have a regular liberal commentator on the site for 2010. Just talk I guess.
I’m actually kinda hurt.

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